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Well I’m glad after four stalled weeks I finally got that post done at the perfect time, eh?



For once, I’m glad they spilled the beans about the soul thing in the promo, since I didn’t want it nagging me for a whole other week. Because, while I did enjoy the 'back to the brothers' focus that I've been sorely missing the last couple weeks, the episode itself was pretty short on giving many answers. (Which, I’ll admit, I figured.)

So they’ve answered that this Sam has been going through the motions of emotions without actually feeling them. And the promo has answered that he’s missing his soul, which can be assumed to be the inherent cause. That’s really it.

But curiously, I’ve seen posts all over talking about Sam now as if he’s evil or a monster without his soul, as if he’s an outright villain now. And this really has me confused. We haven’t been told anything concretely yet that should make us jump to that conclusion. Until we’re told otherwise, the most logical assumption is that he lost in sometime in the pit. In, um, Hell. Which he jumped in out of his own free will to save the world. Doesn‘t that makes Sam less a villain, more of a victim? I actually doubt very much that they’re gonna go for a blatant Angelous interpretation of soul vs. nonsoul, good vs. evil dichotomy. I also doubt it’s gonna be a ‘OH THE SEARCH FOR SAM’S SOUL IN A GLASS BOTTLE’ thing.

For me, I’m really just at this question of, okay, SPN. You want to play this game, let’s play it: Souls. They can be bought and sold, but WHAT ARE THEY? Do demons really lack them or are they simply blackened? (The smoke we see during possession, perhaps?) Do angels lack them? Sam’s description of his condition does resemble Anna’s explanation of being unable to feel as an angel. Does that mean Cas loosing his angeldom and gaining his humanity last year was really him gaining a soul? Or simply responding to Jimmy’s more as he lost his grace? Do monsters lack them? What happened to Dean’s soul in 5.05 when he turned into a vampire, and then turned back? Anything? He was still able to resist drinking, and harness choice, much like Lenore way back in ‘Bloodlust‘. In the past, we’ve been told the line between a monster (who the Winchesters hunt and kill) and a being to be left alone was whether it killed humans. But that’s been kinda shot to hell since the show has become so loose with demon host killing. Are they moving to revise this?

Logically, by Sam not having one, we could assume that they’ve already been telling us what a soul is. (By virtue of being clearly identified as Soul!Knockout Sam now, since I just can't leave the knockout mice thing alone. It's so apt!) therefore, evidence of S6!Sam is the evidence of what a lack of a soul looks like. And it doesn’t resemble a demon or a monster to me. What it resembles is an angel.

Let’s revisit that description from Anna about what it’s like to be an angel for a second:
ANNA: I mean it. Every emotion, Dean, even the bad ones... It's why I fell. It's why... Why I'd give anything not to have to go back. Anything.
DEAN: Feelings are overrated, if you ask me.
ANNA: Beats being an angel.
DEAN: How's that possible? You guys are powerful and perfect. You don't doubt yourselves or God or anything.
ANNA: Perfect... Like a marble statue. Cold... No choice... Only obedience.


Now Sam from this week:
DEAN: I could have died. I could have killed Ben.
SAM: I know and that should have stopped me cold. But I just don’t feel it…Ever since I came back, I am a better hunter than I have ever been. Nothing scares me anymore. ‘Cause I can‘t feel it.
DEAN: Can‘t feel what, Sam.
SAM: I don’t know…what’s wrong with me. I think…I need help.”


In fact, one thing I’d wanted to mention and missed in my meta last week was how many facial ticks of this new Sam has reminded me of Cas, especially in early S4. I’m not saying Sam could be an angel, I’m just saying that if this Sam is one without a soul, and his personality change resembles the difference between Jimmy and Cas, it could be an indication that angels lack souls too. And therefore that lacking a soul doesn’t necessarily make you evil or a monster. Rather that it simply makes you unable to use emotions or see morality issues or connect to others. It makes you the perfect soldier, practical, efficient, confident, unquestioning, without fear. (Sam did say he’s a better hunter than he’s ever been.) Therefore, it seems to me as if calling this Sam outright evil or a monster is just about as fruitless as calling Cas evil or a monster.

The one thing that stopped me when thinking about the idea that Sam might be missing his whole soul is, how does the show go about getting it back? It's not exactly like this show to do a SPECIAL 'DEAN HUNTS FOR SAM'S SOUL' two-parter, you know? It seems as though the solution for this would have to be progressive somehow. And so I'm wondering: Could this connection be pointing to the possibility that just as Cas slowly gained a soul and became human throughout S5, that the same might be possible for Sam over the course of this season? Perhaps whoever up in Heaven that’s holding the purse strings on his soul (the infamous Host of Heaven Cas keeps referring tom perhaps?) has agreed to give it back as he progresses on his job rounding up the Alphas. IN FACT. HEY. COULD THE MONSTERS AND ALPHAS GOING CRAZY BE CONNECTED WITH THE NUCS IN HEAVEN GOING MISSING???????

SOOO MANY QUESTIONS and this show has always been so bad at defining it's mythology specifically, I'm unsure how many answers we'll ever get. Really, I shouldn't even be allowed to think about mythology details, they'll make my brain spin. But I know Gamble said in interviews that they were moving to explain the mythology more, so it'll be interesting to see how far they go with explaining the rules and definitions here throughout the course of the season.

As for my actual reaction to the epsiode? Well, completing that Sam meta picspam obviously tapped into a hunk load of affection and sympathy for this new damaged Sam ‘cause the whole episode was me going OH SAMMMMMMMM. If you’re gonna talk about the most depressing part of the episode, being convinced he was real Sam like I was (just not all of him), it was hearing Dean say he wanted to murder the guy sitting next to him. Remember when Dean couldn’t conceive of killing him if any part of that was Sam???? So, as an effect, I'll admit the ending of rage-exploding!Dean made me wince beyond belief. I get that some evil goddess just told you your brother’s not human and you’ve had a rough week and all but he also just confessed himself and begged for your help. Giving him brain damage is probably not the greatest way of doing that. (SERIOUSLY, what an absolutely horrifying way to end the episode. I HAD CHILLS, GUYS. CHILLS.)

As for Enigma!Sam wearing red this week, I have but one response: Obviously this Sam knows ALL ABOUT the color meta, and with Dean acting suspiciously, he practically reasoned wearing red again would be the most efficient way of throwing his brother off the trail. ;) [Honestly, I have no idea what was going on there? Besides screwing up a lovely 30+ episode consistency on color meta!]

Date: 2010-11-01 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathisyourart.livejournal.com
I'm a bad person who isn't going to read or answer this yet because I am doing evil, evil homework, but I did want to say "CHECK YOUR INBOX"!

Date: 2010-11-01 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zimshan.livejournal.com
OMG, YES! I JUST GOT IT! REPLIES WILL BE FORTHCOMING! XDD

Date: 2010-11-01 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
Yes yes. It's so weird for me. I had not been spoiled for the next episode when I went on my squee rant for this episode. If I had I think I would have felt thing differently. Well, I do now.. so yeah. Most definitely.

I love a lot of what you have said here.

I have pretty much seen Sam as a victim since the beginning of all this. Something's gone wrong and Sam is not Sam as a result of it. I've held out that there's been something more going on with Sam than him being just soulless. (as in something else behind him) But it looks like that's all we are dealing with. Probably.

I think Show could make this very interesting, but I am terrified about what they are going to do with Sam now. Another guilt fest I fear. When and in what manner Sam will be "returned" will be what they will no doubt be playing with now for maybe even he rest of the season. In fact I do think this will tie into Cas and his journey to becoming more "human" from the last 2 season. Sam will now be on this journey. I wonder if the soul is a tangible entity, or something that can be born again from within. Hmmm...

Logically, by Sam not having one, we could assume that they’ve already been telling us what a soul is.

Yes. Or at least what Sam is without a soul. I wonder if everyone acts that way without one? They might explore that? Would say Bobby without a soul be as manipulative as Sam? See, I see more than just Sam not having emotion (that damn smirk carried a heap of emotion I reckon).. he's been actively hiding stuff from Dean and everyone else, so it suggests he's doing more that just not feeling anything. (we could see him actually fight against the truth spell for example. Why would he do that I wonder?)

ARGHHHHHHHHH!! I don't know. Show is confusing me. Why can't they just hunt simple monsters any more?!?!

Hee!! Love your last para. Sam is so aware of the colour meta and is using it to his advantage. Clever Sam. See - Sam is being manipulative. Hmmm... is that an emotion?

xx
Edited Date: 2010-11-01 11:08 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-11-01 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abrakadabrah.livejournal.com
See - Sam is being manipulative. Hmmm... is that an emotion?

No, it's a rational way to get what you want based on knowing how to deter the others and cause them to blame themselves. Witness Sam telling Dean that he froze - with the result that Dean blamed himself entirely for the misunderstanding, and for imputing such bad motives to Sam. With Dean lost in the guilt and self loathing, new Sam is free to be Sam again.

Date: 2010-11-01 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
Oooh yes, I know being manipulative in itself isn't an emotion but I wondered if the need to use it in order to get want you want is being feed by some sort of emotion, feeling or need.

*sigh* Don't mind me. I'm grasping at straws.
Thanks. <3

Date: 2010-11-02 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zimshan.livejournal.com
Heh, I think Ash was just being funny there with the color meta motivations. But, I have to ask, you're blaming Sam for Dean blaming himself? That's kinda convoluted, don't you think? And honestly, it requires Sam to understand Dean and his emotions enough to actively manipulate just for that purpose, which I don't believe at this moment he has the capacity to do. I wouldn't imagine Sam knew he was immune to Veritas's curse, either. Instead, I imagine Sam simply responded in such a way that he hoped the curse might let him respond. He picks his words very slowly and carefully, as if he wasn't sure what might happen. I'd assume his intended result was simply to avoid telling Dean the truth. Which, um, given how he reacted when he did find out, was probably a smart survival tactic.

Date: 2010-11-02 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abrakadabrah.livejournal.com
That's kinda convoluted, don't you think?

No, actually, I don't. He's been turning all of the accusations against him on their head all along, not just with Dean, once before and here, but with Samuel as well. You turn it back on the other person and then you are no longer the focus of attention.

And honestly, it requires Sam to understand Dean and his emotions enough to actively manipulate just for that purpose, which I don't believe at this moment he has the capacity to do.

Sam knows Dean very well, he knows how he reacts to things, even though he knows it at the moment through intellect rather than deep feeling or spiritual connection. But that makes the manipulation colder, IMO.

I don't imagine that Sam knew in advance that he was immune to Veritas' curse, but when he responded, it was with the most intelligent answer he could find, because it entirely deterred Dean, causing Dean to refocus his own emotions internally. Since this is absolutely classic manipulation technique, that is exactly the result that manipulators often intend to achieve, I don't find it beyond soulless Sam at this point.

This isn't Sam Sam. This is a Sam who could enjoy the experience of watching Dean get turned, as you yourself pointed out previously in a former post. So, yeah, cold and calculating. I don't have a problem imputing that to Sam.

Date: 2010-11-02 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zimshan.livejournal.com
I guess my feeling is that this whole thing is less about Sam specifically (as fans have been concentrating on) and more about what lack of a soul Sam can tell us about the show's mythological definitions of what a soul does, who has them, and who doesn't.

Motivations for Sam specifically we still haven't gotten, because of the show's own POV tactics. The most we know now is that, as you've said, this isn't Sam Sam. So I'm not quite sure it even matters to blame this Sam directly beyond what it can say about the mythology. Besides how the show thinks it's one more way to pile the angst on Dean.

Date: 2010-11-02 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zimshan.livejournal.com
There's some part of it that I kinda hate, actually, the idea that Sam is AGAIN a victim of something supernatural. I think I'm mostly just been drawn into the storyline because of how fascinating Padalecki's been playing it. And the meta behind it!

But I also feel like there's this huge cultural meaning that people have attached to the idea of being 'soulless' that the show's mythology at least hasn't outlined as of yet. I'm hearing demonization of this Sam from half of my flist, and yet I fail to see why his actions are any worse than angels. Who, while it's been established ARE dicks, aren't just by existing necessarily evil. And fans don't necessarily spend long ranty posts screaming about how much they hate them for existing.

Yes. Or at least what Sam is without a soul. I wonder if everyone acts that way without one? They might explore that? Would say Bobby without a soul be as manipulative as Sam?
Well, if the show chooses to tie the idea that it is the soul that makes human's distinctly HUMAN, (which from Veritas's exclamation over Sam not being human, by being insusceptible to her powers is what I'm thinking they might be doing), I would think that generally I would think they'd be making one broad sweeping statement about humans versus those creatures without them. Sure, they could be exceptions both ways, Sam's been manipulative and morally skewed without the governing compass of a soul (which idk to me is kinda expected!) and yet he hasn't been running around killing people. He's spent his time hunting monsters, and saving people, though obviously with a bent, potentially harmful 'means to an end' view, as the vamp situation with Dean showed.

But just to play devil's advocate, is manipulation by itself inherently bad? If he lacks this moral compass because of someone has ripped out his soul, is it perhaps not more interesting that this Sam has only used obfuscation and manipulation to help kill monsters. When you compare it to how monsters and demons or even soul-selling, liqueur drowning angels, that is.

I don't know where I'm going with this, sorry to ramble at you, I'm trying to stretch and pull at it to see what I can get out of it, but like I said, I've just got more questions! XDDD

Date: 2010-11-02 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
But just to play devil's advocate, is manipulation by itself inherently bad?
It's an interesting point. And I can see that in the way you stated it it looks like Sam could have have been acting the best way he can without his moral compass. Only, I still can't get it out of my head that there's more than just maniplation to kill monsters here. It feels as though he's on some sort of mission. A mission that may involved more than hunting monsters and saving people. So is he using the manipulation for good or evil? Argh....*head hurty*

I don't know where I'm going with this, sorry to ramble at you,

It's totally the place I am at at the moment. :D I've tried a number of times to blog some thoughts but they keep getting twisted around because on one hand the prospect of soulless Sam is fascinating (and where is his soul, did he deal it away or was is ripped from him? Has it been rotting in hell for over a year and being turned to some sort of Demon) but on the other hand I can't say I'm looking forward to having a lot of episodes with this Sam. I MISS MY SAMMY!! And then there's tjhe prospect of the guilt that he will be harbouring when he's returned. That's what I see ahead, because this will be no easy fix. And really? Haven't they already done this? They've saved the world for god's sake. Cut 'em some slack!

See!!! Ranty... I can't stop myself!

Makes for interesting discussion though - so that's kinda fun.

Thanks for allowing me to off load some of my babble. <333

Date: 2010-11-02 03:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] smilla02.livejournal.com
Should have kept on with our discussions about the bones, but the show keeps giving us more to chew on. *kicks show*

But just to play devil's advocate, is manipulation by itself inherently bad?

Dropping here because this is interesting and a question I have asked myself before 6.05 when all my theories about Sam were truly shaken. I have thought about this a lot, and in the end for me it doesn't come around only on what kind of agenda/goal the manipulator is trying to carry on, but has also to do with what kind of means they are using. In Sam's case, Sam manipulating Dean so throuroughly into getting vamped up AND not telling him about the cure only to gain intel on the nest (an inherently good agenda) is not justifiable. If this is the kind of hunter Sam is, he may be most effective, but he's not fit to have a hunting partner, because chances are that he'll get the partner killed sooner rather than later. It was good gaining intel on the nest? Of course, it was. Was the cost Sam was willing to let Dean pay for it worth it? Nope because it was not Sam's place to decide. Whatever kind of agenda Sam has, he's implementing it with narrow mindedness, but even if his only agenda is killing monsters (inherently good agenda, right?), it doesn't make the means he's willing to use any less disturbing and potentially damaging to those around him, in this case Dean.

And I'm not even taking into account the smirk (which, maybe, possibly, if you look at it sideways, you could read as satisfaction for his plan coming to fruition), the fact that he didn't tell Dean that there was a cure (why? it would have been logical to tell Dean), and the almost obsessive way he asked for details on Dean's physical changes.

So, yeah, not Sam, or a Sam profoundly damaged, so much that he's (I like Sokpuppet's definition) other, is the only possible answer.

As for Dean and his reaction, he deserves a meta of his own, so insert here many thoughts about Dean and what kind of effect the last year left in grieving + Sam's sudden returns has had on him.

Date: 2010-11-01 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abrakadabrah.livejournal.com
t that some evil goddess just told you your brother’s not human and you’ve had a rough week and all but he also just confessed himself and begged for your help.

Sam confessed because he was cornered; and his rational brain knows that the puppy eyes always work on Dean and the "I need help" line. He came clean, but it seemed completely expedient and self serving at that point, when Dean was pointing a knife at him and looked lethal.

Given that this Sam just casually exploded any chance for a life that Dean had with cruelty and complete insoucience, and meanwhile Dean doesn't even have his brother with him in a meaningful sense,, yeah, he exploded. Sam, himself, triggered this more cruel version of killer Dean that we had this week by deciding it was a good idea to have him turn into a vampire and experience that world first hand. Big surprise that Dean is exhibiting an edge that he haven't seen since season 3 but it's now turned towards Sam, not the world.

Date: 2010-11-02 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zimshan.livejournal.com
Um, okay, actually I was just talking about my reaction to it all. It's totally debatable based on your own reaction, but for me, I haven't winced like that since Lucifer pratically popped Dean's one eye out. But that was LUCIFER. Seeing Dean in that total flipped switch rage mode, for me as a viewer, was a seriously horrifying way to end the episode to me. The episode closed and my brain went THAT WAS REAL DEAN. WHO JUST DID THAT TO PARTIAL SAM. I've had Sam figured out for weeks, but it was Dean this week that surprised the hell out of me. That's my reaction, I can't change that.

Date: 2010-11-02 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abrakadabrah.livejournal.com
Yeah - it was clearly meant as a vivid, visual callback to Lucifer's beatdown of Dean. No question. Just as Dean's unvamping vision sequence, which climaxed in seeing Sam stand still and let him be turned with a twist of pleasure glancing across his lips was a direct callback to Sam's vision sequence of himself and Dean that climaxed in Dean's embrace after he had given up his soul for him. These two sets of actions were inversions of each other.

I'm not disputing that this is a low point for Dean. I'm just saying that last week Sam purposefully did nothing and watched Dean become turned into a monster. And now Dean, triggered by rage and out of control, is acting monstrously to Sam. As I see it, what Sam's plan let loose, is pretty much a direct cause and effect, IMO.

In season 4, it never struck me that Sam fully understood what it meant that Dean get turned into a monster in hell. Hence him unleashing it insouciantly here.

Anyway, I don't feel sorry for this Sam 2.0 - but I feel very sorry for his soul, which is probably still in hell being tortured, or something horrible, or being kept by someone horrible.

Date: 2010-11-02 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] counteragent.livejournal.com
...and I agree with you!

That's why the episode was so terribly great, IMO.

Date: 2010-11-02 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] counteragent.livejournal.com
I agree with you...

Date: 2010-11-02 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] counteragent.livejournal.com
I totally think he resembles an angel more than anything too. I actually wanted to make that more explicit in my Sam vid but it didn't quiiiite fit.

My post about Sam becoming an Alpha monster was purely conjecture about where they could take it, not that he was acting like a monster. If anything, I think that his attempts to reassure Dean despite his lack of emotional engagement are testament to the fact that he is not a monster. (I can't believe he's putting on such a show fot strategic purposes...I can't really see why he'd need Dean to hunt.)

Date: 2010-11-02 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zimshan.livejournal.com
I totally think he resembles an angel more than anything too. I actually wanted to make that more explicit in my Sam vid but it didn't quiiiite fit.
Okay, good, so it's not just me and my wacky crazy brain then!

My post about Sam becoming an Alpha monster was purely conjecture about where they could take it, not that he was acting like a monster.
Oh no! I get where your poll was coming from! In fact, I'm still ruminating over that one! It's in a tab...somewhere. But I too was thinking how this could be related to the alpha thing!

If anything, I think that his attempts to reassure Dean despite his lack of emotional engagement are testament to the fact that he is not a monster. (I can't believe he's putting on such a show fot strategic purposes...I can't really see why he'd need Dean to hunt.)
Ahhhh. Yes, THAT, is what I've been thinking along the lines of. I keep going back to that "it's just better when you're around" thing, and my hope that being around Dean could progressively help his soul situation. Perhaps I just really don't want a simple reset button (and honestly, I just don't think it's this show's style). If they're gonna play this lack of soul exploring thing, I want it played all the way out.

Date: 2010-11-03 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] counteragent.livejournal.com
I would love a slow climb back to life.

But then again I might be OK with a reset button even if it's hella cheap BECAUSE I MISS MY SAMMYCAKES SO MUCH. :( :(

Also I want Dean to be a dad so freaking much it hurts.

It's so weird how I want different things for them now (than each other). Sadly, I think my ship has sailed. D:

Date: 2010-11-02 02:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luminosity
What I find bewildering (and I think I might expound upon it in my LJ if I ever work up the energy--tough week) is the performance Sam put on for Dean during the reveal. If he can't feel anything, how can he get so emotionally worked up to *ask* Dean for help, replete with puppy-dog face? It's like, how can Sam beg for help when Sam's NOT THERE?

I think that Sam has become Other. At this point anyway. Dean believes that it's a thing wearing Sam's body, and I can't fault his logic. I was horrified at the beatdown, but I totally understood it--this wasn't Sam. This was a monster, and Dean is a hunter, and OMG, you know? I think Dean had to take Sam down and out, but then the Rage Explosion sort of put me into a shock spiral. I'm still in it. OMG. *hands*

ETA: Totally thinking on the angel thing, as well. Yeah.
Edited Date: 2010-11-02 02:15 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-11-02 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zimshan.livejournal.com
I totally get the bewildering thing! It really played a number on me, and then the rage explosion just, yes shock spiral is a good word for it. I still can't really make sense of it. So I think up soul logistics questions instead! ;)

Crossing my fingers for you that your week turns out for the better. And I'd love to hear more thoughts of yours on the angel thing, if you get the chance. :)

Date: 2010-11-02 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
Oooh,ooo, ooh just had to leap in here because *phew* this is totally my reasoning for my utter squee at the last episode. I had no doubt in my mind that it's something "Other" than Sam. And so the beating made sense. And Dean's reaction. And Sam as a new type of "monster" - not Sam is a monster. It all made goddamn sense and now, if it turns out it's just Sam without a soul... I just.... whaaaaaa. I would see it all so differently.

I don't know where to place my thoughts..

(wow, that's twice you've nail my thoughts with better words than I can express. <33)

Date: 2010-11-02 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abrakadabrah.livejournal.com
If he can't feel anything, how can he get so emotionally worked up to *ask* Dean for help, replete with puppy-dog face? It's like, how can Sam beg for help when Sam's NOT THERE?

Yeah - that's what caused the rage explosion, IMO. Sam put on the puppy eyes look and went all vulnerable little brother - but a lot of that, if not all of it, was a performance that he seemed to be in as much control of as his rational explanation to Dean earlier that he had frozen. Recently vamped Dean standing there with a knife in his hand and murder in his eyes - he had to come out with the truth then and something to get Dean to help him.

What was interesting about it was the extent to which Dean acted precisely like both suicide girl and the dentist earlier in the episode. Like them, he just exploded/imploded. You can't handle the truth, indeed.

I believe the last time Dean tried to kill Sam was in Sex and Violence, when he was under the Siren's spell where there was also a non-authentic brother replacing Sam. Interesting bit of thematic overlap here, even though the circumstances are different, and at that point Dean could not recognize the inauthentic from the authentic.

Date: 2010-11-02 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] samantha890.livejournal.com
Blah. :( I don't think they'll explain much. Sometimes the show is not so great at giving us all of the answers... :( But I guess we just have to wait and see.

Date: 2010-11-02 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zimshan.livejournal.com
They've always been particularly good at being short on details and getting away with it. It's served them well, just in terms of leaving things wide open for easy canon additions later, and retcons and all, but if we're gonna start playing with this stuff now. I think so of it demands some detail.

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